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neoflame · Feb 13, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

No, "Can't Touch This!" is pretty useless (in PvP) because it's self-only and a very specific counter (the latter is also why it should stay dead.) As it is, someone with Shock will just go Shock someone else, and "CTT!" as a counter for Throw Dirt is absolutely silly (aside from the fact that, say, Remedy Signet is a lot more general, skill failure from "CTT!" doesn't cause recharge, so anyone who really wants to Throw Dirt you will just let it fail 3-4 times in a row. Oh noes, 6 energy lost!) I don't have EotN, but I can think of much better skills to run on a PvE Paragon.

Avatar Exico · Feb 13, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Gonna have to disagree with this.
80% dumb builds
10% Ursan
5% Sabway
5% Decent builds.

This way accurate and up to date. I Agree to these numbers.

Lishy · Feb 13, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Paragon need better elites and in general, need more skills with uses.
We have our share of overpowered skills, but then again, most paragon skills are as nutritious as spam.
This is coming from someone who runs a very efficient paragon build.

Savio · Feb 13, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

This is coming from someone who runs a very efficient paragon build.

So efficient you run caster offhands?

Lishy · Feb 13, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Savio

So efficient you run caster offhands?

WTF does that have to do with the topic?
And can you read at all?The forum rules clearly state to stay on topic and NO FLAMING!

Its hilarious to see how far people go just because someone plays in a style they don't agree with

No joke, I am actually laughing my ass off.Some people REALLY need to grow up.

*ahem*
Back on topic:

Review on the elites
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Anthem of guidance:
The next attack used by each member cannot be blocked.Might as well just get a shattering assault sin, but decent for E-management.I don't think this should be an elite, but meh.

Crippling anthem:
I don't know about you, but I find this useful.All allies in earshot can cripple the enemy, therefor kiting nearly all of the enemy's party.

Incoming!:
Okay, the damage decrease is okay, but with it lasting only 3 seconds, it doesn't have an overall powerful effect.Useful when used by good players, bad when used by pure shout spammers who don't use strategy.

Angelic Bond:
Its kind of like bonding, but without giving energy degeneration, and you need to cast it on more party members.It provides decent defense for front lines if you can help heal the damage.Para's don't get attacked much in PvE anyways.

Anthem of Fury:
Pretty good for an Adrenaline battery.

Defensive Anthem:
Good if your up against a team of rangers, but can ne costly in energy

Focused Anger:
Smexy 1337 skill.For nearly a whole minute, you gain 100% adrenaline, allowing you to spam skills like Save Yourselves and other pwn skills.

Soldier's Fury:
Decent IAS.Ill pass for Aggressive Refrain though.

Its just a Flesh wound:
Good for condition heavy areas.Hilariously bad for heroes as they will spam it on each over and ai will keep removing deep wound unnecessarily.

Song of Purification:
Ehhhh....It has a fair amount of uses.A situational elite.

Song of Restoration:
Need I say more?This skill owns.Very good in conjunction with similar skills.

The power is yours!:
Its okay for a batterie, but requires a lot of strategy to make good use of.

Cruel Spear:
Deep Wound and decent damage.Very nice as a finisher in a spike.

Stunning Strike:
Very good for a condition pressure and has decent damage.

Cautery Signet:Pretty good condition removal, but like other skills, its very situational.
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Yeah.......Not all of them are bad, but some are in need of improvements.

[DE] · Feb 13, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

WTF does that have to do with the topic?
And can you read at all?The forum rules clearly state to stay on topic and NO FLAMING!

Its hilarious to see how far people go just because someone plays in a style they don't agree with

No joke, I am actually laughing my ass off.Some people REALLY need to grow up.

*ahem*
Back on topic:

Wow. You are quite possibly the dumbest person I've met in my life.

Sab · Feb 13, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Excellent summary, sir. Now which elites do you recommend using a focus for?

Lishy · Feb 13, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Sab

Excellent summary, sir. Now which elites do you recommend using a focus for?

*Off topic temporarily until people can shut up about this*

If you researched,all I said was "I like to use a focus, but that was just me"
I'm not trying to prove anything.I simply like having more energy on my paragon and the thread was about offhands.I had full rights to post that and I don't see how it "offended" you guys.

Seriously, what kind of reaction are you guys trying to get?What is the point of this big argument to have to drag it to other threads?What is your specific objective?
If this is all because a someone sometimes uses a focus then I am just going to not respond to anythings and watch you guys breaking your ballz just to argue because I am tired of this crap.I'm sure the admins are also tired of this.This is going no were and even me, the person who "supposedly" caused this stupid commotion, does not understand what this argument is about.
So guys,shut up.Because you look like you have social problems.

neoflame · Feb 13, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

WTF does that have to do with the topic?
And can you read at all?The forum rules clearly state to stay on topic and NO FLAMING!

Savio didn't actually flame you, he just pointed out something you said that might discredit you, which is relevant because it may reflect on the quality of your other posts. That's how post quality control on forums works.

unienaule · Feb 13, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Here's the short version of what they're trying to tell you, Kain.

"Efficient" players wouldn't even think of using a caster offhand, because they don't need the energy. Claiming to be an expert on paragon skills seems suspect when it appears you run caster offhands to have extra energy.

ZenRgy · Feb 13, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

So guys,shut up.Because you look like you have social problems.

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

And can you read at all?The forum rules clearly state to stay on topic and NO FLAMING!

o ok.

A serious question, do you use leadership and if so, how do you run into energy problems when leadership is the best energy management tool in the game.

Also, Defensive Anthem is amazing.

Lishy · Feb 13, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Yes, I have 14 in leadership,14 spear master, and 9 command and I am currently running this build:
Spear of Fury
Lightning Spear
"Save yourselves"
Anthem of Weakness
"There on fire"
"There is Nothing to Fear"
"Aggressive Refrain"
"Focused Anger"(E)

"There on fire" is used to keep up Aggressive Refrain.
I swap from a normal to zealous spear depending weather or not I am battling.

I have to admit, I almost never run out of energy, and starting off with 40, I can quickly get in my best buffs at the first mob.
Of course, I could use a shield, but I forgot to mention that the reason I am using an earth scroll is because I lack a +5 energy rune on my shield since I only have a green droknor shield :P
Yes, shields are great and experts always use the best they can use, but nobody here was claiming to be an expert.Maybe I claimed that by build works, but I never said I was an expert.
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Since were on the topic of builds, I guess we can say that this is a sample usage of Focused anger :P
It really charges up adrenaline skills quickly and I think its one of the best elites in the game.
Paragons *do* have good elites, but sometimes people don't use them in the right situation or builds.

neoflame · Feb 14, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

There's no such thing as a +5e rune for shields. And why do you need 40e in that build? As previously mentioned (don't remember if it was this thread or the other one) you put up Aggressive Refrain when you zone, so its combat energy cost is 0, and I honestly don't see how you can run out on a 30e pool - even FA->"TNtF!"->"TOF!" will cost 10+15-7+10-7=21e.

Terraban · Feb 14, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

If this is all because a someone sometimes uses a focus then I am just going to not respond to anythings and watch you guys breaking your ballz just to argue because I am tired of this crap.I'm sure the admins are also tired of this.

The admins are probably the worst about it is the ironic thing.

Lishy · Feb 14, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by neoflame

There's no such thing as a +5e rune for shields. And why do you need 40e in that build? As previously mentioned (don't remember if it was this thread or the other one) you put up Aggressive Refrain when you zone, so its combat energy cost is 0, and I honestly don't see how you can run out on a 30e pool - even FA->"TNtF!"->"TOF!" will cost 10+15-7+10-7=21e.

Sometimes I feel quick and dirty and I am not in the mood to spam theyre on fire to recharge AR when playing with H/H.
That is just the game play though, and not the actual build.
And by Rune, I meant insignia XD

I never said I ran out.I said that I just like energy.

We should go back on topic though.This is not an interview.

neoflame · Feb 14, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Sometimes I feel quick and dirty and I am not in the mood to spam theyre on fire to recharge AR when playing with H/H.

You're not in the mood to press 5 when it's shiny?

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I never said I ran out.I said that I just like energy.

But if you don't run out of energy, why do you need the extra energy from an offhand? An extra 6e sitting in your pool does absolutely nothing for you ever; an extra 8AL sitting in your left hand works whenever something hits you.

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We should go back on topic though.This is not an interview.

I use this forum for two reasons: to read good posts in Gladiator's Arena, and to help other players improve. If I can help you improve your Paragon by causing you to think about what you're doing on it, then why not? Also, the original post was silly, Paragons have a number of playable elites comparable to, or better than, many/most other professions.

Lishy · Feb 14, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

You wouldn't always be in the mood to press 5 when it is shiny.Instead, I would rather multi-task by micromanaging 3 things at once /sarcasm in which you then forget to switch to your non-zealous spear and and you also forget to keep up AR(Which honestly doesn't happen too often to me)

My post about paragons+Focus is not educational for guild wars.I admit it.Kay?I think about what I am doing all the time.Sometimes people recently spend 40k on their elite armor and cannot find a worthwhile paragon shield on sale.

Solution for me to improve:Stop being lazy.
I honestly don't want to discuss this.When I play with H/H I like to f*** around, but when I go in FoW pugs I get serious.

Horseman Of War · Feb 14, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Kain Youve said so much... and so little...

I happen to like Anthem of Guidance. Think about it- its one of the only 4 Adrenaline skills LEFT that doesnt have a recharge time. A spammable energy source. I used this skill for 90% of gw:en... but for pvp, as you touched on, I prefer Crip Anthem for all the same reasons.

For the same reason... Song of Purification is one of the best skills in the game, under Any circumstance.

Defensive Anthem is a great skill if you run with an Ursan team but dont feel like playing bearform.... goes great with Energizing Chorus as an intro.

Im not a Focused Anger bot player... And I really dont think its That great of a skill. I realize its a decent pve build, but I refuse to play this because whenever I see another paragon ping their bar.... Thats what they run. Yuk.
But then again most paragon builds i see in game make me sick to the stomach. I hate to sound like an elitist but I have somewhere around 1k hours on my paragon so take what I say into consideration.

EDIT--> im referring to your 'lets review the elites' post 108, this thread is moving fast lol

Lishy · Feb 14, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

EDIT--> im referring to your 'lets review the elites' post 108, this thread is moving fast lol

I can see lol.
I guess I didn't see the adrenal icon when looking at the skill previously...

xvix83 · Feb 22, 2008, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

i could argue that Necromancer's only have 5 good elites out of 30.

1) Spiteful Spirit
2) Spoil Victor
3) Corrupt Enchantment
4) Tainted Flesh
5) Toxic Chill

Off topic, but im really angry abt him saying necro only have these "good" elites, there are much more...eg. Feast Of Corruption, Icy Veins, Wail Of Doom and BiP (PvE)